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Hello IK members:
I recently committed to purchase what I THINK is an early IK Eldorado Mark 1 as a restoration project. I still need to pick it up to get exact measurements myself.
Seller does not have slate or rubber on the rails.
Overall dimensions 73 1/2″ x 43″
Pressboard playing surface a previous owner cut: 67 1/2″ x 35 1/2″
I think it is an IK table because the end and side rails have two diamonds between pockets. I don’t know of any other manufacturer than IK to do this on smaller tables. Also, the seller claims the person who sold it to her said it was an IK.
If you know that this is NOT an IK, and know what it IS, please advise. I suspect that when I add rubber to the rails, the playing surface will be approximately 31 1/4″ x 62 1/2″, but I won’t know for sure until I pick up the table after this Coronavirus thing calms down a bit.
I purchased a used 7′ slate that is 3/4″ thick. I have the ability to cut it down to size and cut out pockets. Can anyone tell me if the diameter of the circle section on the smaller IK tables is the same diameter as any other table? I believe pockets are cut with a 5″ diameter masonry hole saw. Did Kaye use 1″ thick slate on his smaller tables? If so, I plan to glue some 1/4″ plywood to the bottom of the slate to bring it up to designed thickness.
Anyway, if anyone has any ideas or insight into what make and model this table is and the other questions I have asked, and can give me any pointers that will save me money and frustration, I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
John
Hy John
I don’t think it’s an Irving Kaye. Or the pillars are not original. In Mexico there were some models that had three stripes below. Maybe you should look there on the internet. Here I have the dimensions for the cutouts from a 6 jr. (junior) table. That was the smallest version. I think 75 x 45. I hope it helps you.regards, Valero
Valero,
Many thanks for the slate pictures and the possible south of the border origins of the table! I plan to pick it up within the next two weeks and hope to find either manufacturer’s markings or maybe I can send some better pictures of the internal ball return workings to determine the make.
What has me stumped is, if it is NOT an IK table, then why only two diamonds on the end rails? Did any manufacturer other than IK do this?
More to follow…
John
John,
Some other manufacturers have also had the 12 diamond arrangement. Here is an example of a small early Model from a Valley of the 60’s.
regards, Valero
I have noticed in the last few years that many billiard manufacturers have only assembled their tables. They bought the parts for it from other companies. This was done in many countries. For example, one can find the Brunswick Anniversary as a model with small changes both in Mexico and in Spain. The latter under the name Cuevas. The name Brunswick does not appear here. The components are identical and so are the materials. An old German billiard table factory, known as Kiesewetter, which no longer exists today, often bought its finished parts from suppliers in the 1950s and 1960s. I suspect that Irving Kaye has also served other companies as suppliers. There no longer seem to be any records of this, but I have seen tables from other manufacturers that have exactly the same interior as an Apollo. I add a few photos from a table built in Germany. Perhaps Irving Kaye even manufactured for other prefabricated components and supplied them as the foundation for a basic kit. By the way, here too there are only 12 diamonds.
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